Four Stages of Leadership - Part 2: Stage 4 and the Stages' Importance
Part two of Adam's conversation with Norm Smallwood, co-founder of The RBL Group, picking up where Episode 12 left off. Norm and Adam move into stage four, otherwise known as "power", of Norm's four-stage leadership model. They then work through what it costs a family business when people are operating below the stage their role requires, why self-diagnosis of your own stage almost never works, and what it looks like to build a great career and a great company without ever needing to become stage four yourself.
21C links
21C links
- Website: https://www.21clear.com?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-13-four-stages-of-leadership-part-2&utm_content=show-notes
- Adam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamhatcher?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-13-four-stages-of-leadership-part-2&utm_content=show-notes
- Newsletter: https://21clear.substack.com/?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ep-13-four-stages-of-leadership-part-2&utm_content=show-notes
- The RBL Group (Norm Smallwood): https://www.rbl.net/?utm_source=twenty-one-clear&utm_medium=website&utm_campaign=ep-13-four-stages-of-leadership-part-2&utm_content=show-notes
- Episode 12, Part 1: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-one-clear-podcast/id1811403547
- Ask Adam for Norm's Four Stages assessment. Email: adam.hatcher@21clear.com
Bumper music: "Still Hot" by Nic D, Connor Price © Lossless, 2023
Episode produced by: https://snapmarket.co
Chapters
[00:00] Welcome and Recap
[03:09] Naming Stage Four
[06:23] When Stage Fours Collide
[08:53] You Can't See Your Own Stage
[13:12] The Real Cost Isn't Bob's
[16:15] Succeeding at Every Stage but One
[17:32] What Makes a "Sue"
[20:45] What Buyers Are Actually Buying
[23:28] Quality of Leadership as a Line Item
[25:22] Willie G. Davidson and "Sounded Like a Harley"
[26:00] Julian Van Winkle and Making It "Taste Like Pappy"
[28:35] You Don't Have to Be Stage Four to Win
[29:45] Where to find Norm's four-stages assessment and how to reach Adam
Episode produced by: https://snapmarket.co
Chapters
[00:00] Welcome and Recap
[03:09] Naming Stage Four
[06:23] When Stage Fours Collide
[08:53] You Can't See Your Own Stage
[13:12] The Real Cost Isn't Bob's
[16:15] Succeeding at Every Stage but One
[17:32] What Makes a "Sue"
[20:45] What Buyers Are Actually Buying
[23:28] Quality of Leadership as a Line Item
[25:22] Willie G. Davidson and "Sounded Like a Harley"
[26:00] Julian Van Winkle and Making It "Taste Like Pappy"
[28:35] You Don't Have to Be Stage Four to Win
[29:45] Where to find Norm's four-stages assessment and how to reach Adam
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